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We have two tagging features: legacy, and Flex Tag
What are the differences? Do we need to keep both?
I've heard from a few people that they are recommending to customers to not use FlexTag, and to go back to legacy tagging due to the various descrepancies and missing functionality in FlexTag.
Differences and descrepancies:
Override control-inhibit tag creates event
Legacy: no
IMS# 2050041 - [TCEnergy] [2022 SP1] - No event message generated for warning tag override when using legacy tags. Closed in PI-41.2 for Enterprise SCADA 2022 SP1 Patch 2
Flex: no
Prompt to override contains tag name/description
Legacy: yes
Flex: no
Tag Expiry
Legacy: yes
Flex: no
But make the event be against the point, not the tag
http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/OGPM-2980
Known Issues:
Limit to ~50 tags that can be bulk updates
Other requested enhancements:
Add additional enumerations (tag types?) that are triggered on control FNPUTs
http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/SERPM-564
Support more tables
All telemetered tables http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/OGPM-82
Remote, connection http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/SERPM-420
LMS tables http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/OGPM-137
From R&D:
I recommend the project uses Flexible Tagging instead of the default Tagging.
Flexible tagging allows for greater customization of tags. It supplements, not replaces, regular tagging and can only be used with Analog, Status and Multistate tables (and in some versions, the Rate table in a limited capacity).
Flexible tagging is a feature that allows for greater customization of tags. With flexible tagging (FlexTag), you can configure the exclusivity of tags, group tags together for mass modifications, set priorities for FlexTag types, customize tag icons, and more. With flexible tagging, you can also attach multiple tags to a single record.
Flexible tagging is not enabled by default. Although the FlexTag Summary can still be accessed from the ezXOS navigation menu, the system will not acknowledge any FlexTag configuration changes unless the registry variable is turned on.
Flexible tagging also offers the ability to define a wider range of tag types:
- Inhibitive (cannot override)
- Warning (can override)
- Maintenance
- Informational
There seems to be a big disconnect here. The above text was found in Jira, but appears to have been lifted directly from the HMI controller guide. Which explains why they think these two things are complimentary, but in the backend they appear to be separate things.
To figure out:
Are we capturing sufficient audit trail information?
Any usability or scalability enhancements?
should we even have the option to turn this on/off? Why do we continue to ship two different tag control panels?
To be rationalised (from OneNote Tags vs. FlexTags (Web view))
SDI-16748 - Tag description must be presented when a tag prevents a multistate command from executing
TCE D/M
Addressed in Realtime Add-on 7.7.1.42 released 2016/02/09
But did @Todd Cherry bring this up again recently?
IMS# 1573658 - [PMC] [DOC] Tag Expiry documentation does not match observed functionality
Was considered a doc defect, to explain that tag expiry doesn't work if flextags are enabled. Which seems to indicate that FlexTags dont have auto-expiry capability
OGPM-1135 What is the difference between Tag Expiry and Flexible Tagging?
seems to indicate that there was an attempt to reconcile these two things, and that there was a fix put into OGX to address warning messages for multistate
OGPM-3017 FlexTag is missing Tag Expiry functionality
It sure is....
OGPM-367 7.6 inconsistency with RVE, Interlock, On/Off Peak, Tagging restrictions etc.
has no detail other than there is a strangeness with interlock, RVE and tagging
no resolution
OGPM-175 Tag reason information not saved historically
During P66 meeting one of their admins (Robbie) mentioned that when they tag a point they'd like to be able to see after the fact in the events on the tag additional/removal information about why the point was tagged.
Currently this information is lost, since the tag reason and work order etc. are only in Realtime and when the tag goes away the information is lost.
No resolution
OGPM-82 add Tagging functionality to all telemetered tables
Clearly, the need is for a single tagging feature that applies to all tables, with all the added functionality of flex tag
OGPM-2980 TCPL DM - Have tag expiry event against point table not tag table
When we fix tag expiration for flex tags, we need to decide where we raise the alarm against
Override control-inhibit tag creates event
Legacy: no
Flex: no
Prompt to override contains tag name/description
Legacy: yes
Flex: no
Tag Expiry
Legacy: yes
Flex: no
But make the event be against the point, not the tag
http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/OGPM-2980
Known Issues:
Limit to ~50 tags that can be bulk updates
Other requested enhancements:
Add additional enumerations (tag types?) that are triggered on control FNPUTs
http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/SERPM-564
Support more tables
All telemetered tables http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/OGPM-82
Remote, connection http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/SERPM-420
LMS tables http://tcjira.aveva.com/browse/OGPM-137
Expectation
One super-set tag function with all features from both legacy and Flex tag, that supports the later versions of the HMI. |
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Idea business value
Customers are not able to adopt the better Flextag until it meets feature parity. This hold them back from modern HMI adoption, and generally holds them back on legacy features. Also, we benifit from maintaining only one tagging solution as we continue to improve more of the CRM |
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Idea Type | Improvement |
Idea priority | 4 – Important to my company |
Work in | OASYS-E-129 Combine Tag & FlexTag into a single tagging solution |
Work status | Under consideration |