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Portfolio area Enterprise SCADA Server
Products Cloud
Created by Kevin Mackie
Created on Mar 13, 2024

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Make it easier to run Enterprise SCADA (OASyS) in the cloud

Background

More and more opportunities are asking for Enterprise SCADA to be run in the cloud in a PaaS environment such as AWS, Azure and other PaaS vendors. Currently, the product is designed solely for on-premise deployments, and there are certain design choices that conflict with the average PaaS environment. Further, there is more pre-existing infrastructure in a typical PaaS that makes some of the product's infrastructure unnecesary.

The request is to address the most important of these limitations, to reduce the total cost of putting the system in a PaaS environment by removing things that require additional considerations (like multicast) that attract more cost, and to further reduce cost by using as much of the existing infrastructure as possible.

Specific Technical Issues to Consider

It would be good to leverage as much of the built-in infrastructure as possible, e.g. AWS RDS instead of SQL VMs (not possible today because of use of Extended Procedures in our product), cloud managed domain / directory services instead of dedicated DC VMs (may just work already but needs testing), maybe even look at high availability features and how to leverage AWS/Azure infrastructure instead of or in addition to our application-level HA.

 

Arbitration of IPs didn't seem to work in the Azure POC that Dean Bennett did so he scripted a hack. It may work in AWS let's see.

 

UDP multicast doesn't work in Azure (or least didn't four years ago) but TCP override can be used instead.

 

Also a big cost is having VMs running all the time so it would be good to keep as many shut down as possible until needed. 

Expectation

Not all at once, but a systematic approach to reducing or removing these limitation and impedements.
Idea business value

To be verified with expected revenue for this solutions.
Idea Type Innovation
Idea Category Digital Transformation
Idea priority 3 – Some use to my company
User Persona SCADA Administrator, IT/Network Administrator, Developer / Integrator
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    Jake Hawkes
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    |     Mar 13, 2024

    Some suggestions from pre-sales:

    • It would be good to leverage as much of the built-in infrastructure as possible, e.g. AWS RDS instead of SQL VMs (not possible today because of use of Extended Procedures in our product), cloud managed domain / directory services instead of dedicated DC VMs (may just work already but needs testing), maybe even look at high availability features and how to leverage AWS/Azure infrastructure instead of or in addition to our application-level HA.

    • Arbitration of IPs didn't seem to work in the Azure POC that Dean Bennett did so he scripted a hack. It may work in AWS let's see.

    • UDP multicast doesn't work in Azure (or least didn't four years ago) but TCP override can be used instead.

    • Also a big cost is having VMs running all the time so it would be good to keep as many shut down as possible until needed.